Emergency responders rushed to the A/C . And as mentioned before, an IRT branch off of Eastern Pkwy should be built instead to reduce this amount of cost, except the (3) should be rerouted there instead of the (5). It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. To keep interlining you need to go with the complicated and expensive Rogers rebuild and I dont think that the service pattern justifies the cost. Also with the 5 running past Eastern Pkwy to Kings Plaza, will the B46/B46 SBS still run down Utica Av for the full length or will the SBS be shut down and the B46 local run from the 4/5 train up to Williamsburg? No spidery stairwells going to the ground. The victim was found. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. The only Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. There are no flaws in this plan. That already will cost millions, possibly billions. Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. are refurbished as well as adopted in new construction. Maybe that money would deliver more bang for the buck if applied here. The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. W 34 St and 7th Ave, W 33 St and 7th Ave, W 32 St and 7th Ave. One island platform, two side platforms. On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. In May 2014, MTA installed three elevators: one near the intersection of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, connecting the mezzanine to the street, and two elevators connecting the platforms to the mezzanine. I just disagree with a Worth St subway being the best choice, since unlike the Second Avenue tracks, the Eighth Av local does have capacity constraints in the railroad north direction (both CPW local and 53 St have two services each, which is about as much as you want to push on a pair of tracks before service gets too unreliable). Subway prematurely. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. By the early 1920s, its population had swelled to more than 10,000. On the New Lots Avenue-bound platform, the track walls have a section of yellow-orange tiles beneath the trim-line and another line of yellow tiles on the bottom of the tiled portions. The important thing about the shorter option is that installing these switches could be done overnight or over a weekend and wouldnt require long term, disruptive construction. Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! So your service pattern would look something like this, which is perfectly doable, north of 63rd Q, T to Fulton local, 15TPH each Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. N,R all times except late nights, W weekdays only, 5 all times except late nights,6. These technological limitations were shortly overcome and the only IRT line that doesnt use part of this original line is the 7 which is limited by the Steinway Tunnel. Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. 11. Far simpler with more capacity. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. Might fit in with narrow streets with tall buildings? Yes, it would take ages for New York to make the Plan for Action setup even remotely possible, but the fact is that the smaller size of the IRT inherently bottlenecks passenger capacity (as known by Lexington Avenue) and also is an operational pain-in-the-neck, since the IRT cant use IND platforms. I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. The Flushing Line viaduct cleans up real nice The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. Nice ideas so far! Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? And theres no room there for it. station count on BWY7 and 8AV between 110th and 72nd. [3] At Nostrand Avenue and Fulton St, provisions were made for a connection to the proposed Bedford Ave line. In fact, most of the proposals are costly, when they could instead be replaced with cheaper alternatives. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. But what Im proposing, and what Im sure no City plan would dare propose, is that the line not run above the center of the avenue such as existing elevated but rather along private land on the west side of the street. Have it dip underground just long enough to have its platforms below the 18 Ave station (dont want to add any elevated curves) and then rise up for Ditmas whose support structure was designed for four tracks. The I-beams and other steel work along the track walls are painted in dark blue. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Switch the 3/4 so that the 3 still goes to New Lots Av, but the 4 will now go to Flatbush Av. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. For example, why build a Lafayette Av branch off of Crosstown when instead a cheap connection between the (G)/(J)/(M) could be built at Broadway. I see no value in that whatsoever. B46 Utica and Eastern Parkway. I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) It will meet up with 6 of the 9 trains going to Atlantic Barclays but earlier. Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. Pseudo-viaducts. Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. Its smaller for the same reason an Olds Runabout is smaller than a Model T: the technological limitations of the day. Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. Hey, that was me. What do you figure the cost of the subway portion of the line to be? Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. Secondly is that the IND plan, like most of their plans, was wildly over designed and would require extra miles of subway from Eastern Parkway to the Lower East Side as well as a much wider 4 track trunk line instead of the IRTs proposed 2/3 track line (much like the New Lots branch the line would have been built with 2 tracks and space for a third to be added later). The ascending tunnel grade would be about 1.4% and the descending 3.3%, both reasonable. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. The point is that anything involving using an extension of B Division is more complicated, for no reason, than just extending the IRT. You took the time to write a response but not to read what I wrote? In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. That ramp was installed as part of the original BMT plans around 1917. Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. Now we reach Utica Ave. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. The only relief valve I can see short of the billion+ solution is reverse-branching lower Utica so that some its runs can continue up Nostrand. (This post was also meant for a different article.). It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. Many will overload the (N) train as a result. Eastern Parkway & Utica Avenue. 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